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Did Microsoft Put Secret Sauce in Xbox One? [DX12]

Did Microsoft Put Secret Sauce in Xbox One? [DX12]

Microsoft has announced that for the first time in five years, a new DirectX 12 is about to be unveiled at GDC on March 20th 2014.  It has been suggested that the Xbox One would not work with DirectX12 because it would require a hardware upgrade since it is running DirectX 11.  But new developments suggest that the Xbox One may in fact be using DirectX 12 in some fashion.  In this video, I discuss the two biggest theories currently out there concerning DirectX 12 and the Xbox One.

 


Microsoft: “For nearly 20 years, DirectX has been the platform used by game developers to create the fastest, most visually impressive games on the planet. However, you asked us to do more. You asked us to bring you even closer to the metal and to do so on an unparalleled assortment of hardware. You also asked us for better tools so that you can squeeze every last drop of performance out of your PC, tablet, phone and console.”

 

Sources:

Move over Mantle: Microsoft to reveal next-gen, ‘closer to the metal’ DirectX: PC World

DayZ creator: Xbox One has “exciting things” coming, can’t share details. Gamespot

Microsoft’s Penello: No way is Xbox One giving up 30% power advantage to PS4: Examiner

Microsoft Blog: DirectX 12: Microsoft

DirectX12 Twitter: @DirectX12

DX12 May Allow Xbox One To Save GPU Time, Render Ray Tracing, SuperFog And Custom Effects: GamingBolt

 

 

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Xbox One DX 12 DX11vx10

 

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  • ilovegoogleglass

    I hope so!

  • phaedruss

    Yes exactly. Think of HSA. Remember Cerny said it would take developers years to take full advantage of HSA tech and the Xbox one has full memory coherence.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    No. There’s no secret sauce or dGPU or whatever. Misterxcultists should enact their cult suicide pact already.

  • Michael Cardwell

    Would not make any since to release hardware just in November that can not run Direct X12 which releases only a few months later? So I say yeah it should be able to utilize it….

  • madbads

    Nah , that’s not a problem. How mantle works on AMD cards released 2 yrs ago..? DX 12 will no doubt bring some performance improvements here and there , but still it won’t make miracles like turning games into 1080p 60fps from 720p etc..

  • Steph

    Derp, insecure as always, trolling xbox one articles….get a life champ, a life besides videogames

  • Iain Chambers

    Indeed and any software improvements can just as easily be applied to Sony’s console and Sony are working just as hard on there back end .Just hope they have been Pushing the PC this time

  • Orion

    You are a fanboy man. I don’t and I do mean that in a derogatory fashion. You pretend like you know already what is inside of the Xbox. You pretend that a company as big as Microsoft can’t hold something back. You are that person who laughed when the philospher said “The Earth is not flat”.

    Now let me put that into context for you. Microsoft has already proved that they can hide something from you. Biggest example? DirectX 12. You didn’t know. Everyone thought after Mantle, DirectX was done. How wrong we all were. I thought DirectX was done too after they said 11.x.

    Now what does DirectX 12 mean? Well, it means you don’t know everything about the hardware. It means what you think you know is irrelevant because with the existence of DirectX 12, it eliminates what everyone told you about the GPU and CPU capabilities of the Xbox One. It isn’t based on Radeon 7000 series GPU. They can’t handle DirectX 12 most likely. (That is a guess because that’s usually what happens with a directX release)

    So guys. What I am here to tell you is…the Earth is not flat. It is round. Now I am going to let the person who built the Earth (Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy reference) show you how round it is. Saying the Xbox One can’t handle 1080p/60fps is utterly narrow sited and you overestimate your own knowledge on technology. You act like something new hasn’t been invented. MAY NOT BE A dGPU LIKE MRXMEDIA SAYS, but something never before seen is in the Xbox One. It is new. You don’t know about. For all you know, as of the DirectX 12 announcement, 4K is possible. You cannot possibly say “4K is impossible on that hardware!!!” because you do not know what is in the hardware. Like I said, DirectX 12 proves that.

    Get your head out of your ass and come back to Earth. You are not some know it all. You know what people told you. DirectX 12 proves that what those people told you is wrong.

  • phaedruss

    Sony can’t do shit.

  • phaedruss

    DX12 isn’t only about performance be assured of that and it will most likely bring with it better utilization of the xbox one architecture which IS different than a PC and the PS4.

  • Emery Calame

    Sorry Mike. this ain’t Dualshockers where people care about your lame taunts and other fanboy crap.

  • madbads

    Not going to bother to read this bs , you clearly didn’t understand my point. What fanboy , only fanboy is you defending your 500$. Fucking moron

  • madbads

    lol yea , and that better utilization doesn’t mean more performance? you think they would still go with 720p 30fps but improve loading times or god knows what else. they gonna put dx12 inside cause it will make it go little faster and maybe closer to ps4. you retards expect miracles and 4k with secret gpu and cloud lol and no i have zero connection to GAF. i think with my own head.

  • phaedruss

    It does mean better performance but you make it seem like it’ll be very minor and not include new features that aren’t available in previous versions. That better utilization will be major increases in performance not just a slight bump by the way.

  • madbads

    yep, 4k .. selling my pc to buy xbox one i’m done.

  • phaedruss

    You are a dumb shit get the hell off the internet.

  • madbads

    lol what?

  • madbads

    Why is he fanboy for dropping some facts? You need to stop being so high in the clouds :P ignorant fools , some even expect it not only to get some minor fps/detail boost but to play games at 4K only of software update . Sell your XBrick and buy yourself a PC or PS4.

  • andy

    “Would not make any since to release hardware just in November that can not run Direct X12″ or most games at 1080p too mate but they released it anyway lol.

  • madbads

    Your fellow xboner up in the comments mentioned it in the book he wrote , also i can’t wait to see those major increases of api update. If it tops my 700$ pc (which still runs games better even on dx11.0 garbage ports) i am selling it asap to buy xbox.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    A truly delusional, ignorant, and completely wrong misterxcultist! Everyone point and laugh.

    They’re very good at writing illegible textwalls of pure bull, just like cranks who think perpetual motion works, the earth is flat, and the moon landings were faked.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    They’re very good at writing illegible textwalls of pure bull, just like cranks who think perpetual motion works, the earth is flat, and the moon landings were faked.

  • madbads

    Man , who da fuck is that misterx freak? I just found this: http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/155776.html

    ROFLMAO

  • Mikeherp Derp

    LOL it’s truly insane, there are other lunatic hideouts like misterx’s blog too.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    Let’s all sell our $2000 PCs and buy Xboners, they can do 4k games apparently.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    Just wait, the truth will come out!

  • Mikeherp Derp

    Driver update will make Xboner games run at 225% higher resolution! Derrrrrp

  • madbads

    yea man , can’t wait for that glorious GDC dx12 reveal.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    They never stop. Before this it was “just wait for the NDAs to lift!”.

  • Megaman

    Hahhaha your a real rookie or just dont no anything about techonoligy oh boy….Go read a book and sit down before you hurt you self boy

  • Megaman

    Hahahaha

  • Megaman

    Hahahahahah your good at telling jokes let me here another one please ;-)

  • madbads

    wait what? wait.. you actually do believe in 4k on x1 and 50% performance improvement?

    http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090804000746/wikiality/images/6/6a/NotSureIfSerious.jpg

  • Megaman

    Oh sorry I forgot I’m delusional :-) I mean it’s not like Microsoft said the Xbox One was 4K ready

  • Jecht_Sin

    Sure 4K is possible on Xbone. Pong would run at 4K indeed. Maybe even “Thomas Was Alone”. But I’ve got some news for you: many people in here know that the the Earth is a sphere “pressed” on the poles (not that round after all), the problem is that MS makes you believe that the Xbone can take you to Mars and back.

    Oh, BTW. You guys made the same claims about DX11.2. We have all seen how it ended: DR3 running at 720p down to 18fps.

  • madbads

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Jecht_Sin

    DirectX is a generic set of APIs HW independent (that’s what APIs are for after all, isn’t it?) and as such it won’t fix the problem of the small eSRAM in the XBone, which was promised to be taken care of by DX11.2. WIth little success apparently. Nor it will raise the number of GPU cores, ALUs, ROP, ACEs. If MS wants to optimize the SDK they are better starting to write routines/libraries in ASM like the Sony’s ICE team is doing for the PS4.

  • Turbomite

    Xboners should bend over and take it up the rear. There is no secret scauce other than that hot scauce MS keeps lubing up your bum. It’s going to keep burning if you just keep bending over.

    Enough is enough Xboners keep running head first relentlessly. how brainwashed can some of you get. even if the Xbone gets DX12. It still doesn’t matter. The PS4 still has more RAW power.

    You Xboners love taking it RAW don’t you.

    I wouldn’t say this if you Xboners keep it real and stop saying that the Xbone will magically beat the ps4 or even be equally as powerful.

    I’m saying this for your own good will. WAKE UP

  • VersaType

    Dude you still don’t get it. Xbox One is built with future tech and soft ware in mind (sorta like the ps3). And once devs understand the xbox one hardware and they use direct x 12, games will improve on the xbox one.

    You need to way up.

  • Megaman

    Right??? :-)

  • Iain Chambers

    The hardware in the Xbox and PS4 are from a cpu/gpu point almost identical apart from the PS4 having more gpu power. Direct X 12 will not bring any hardware changes to the Xbox as its already out but the PC may get some hardware updates and Open Gl has been giving SONY an advantage along with the Linux based OS it uses. But until I get a good look at DirectX12 I couldn’t say how much improvement the xbox will be getting

  • Turbomite

    WTF

    The PS3 is built to be an ass to develop for but more powerful than the 360. But reaps great benefits when developers spend extra time on it.

    This concept doesn’t apply to the XBone. REASON being is that the XBone is MUCH more WEAKER than the PS4. About 40% more. YOU HAVE THINGS BACKWARDS

    Direct x 12 is a new version of API which mean it will require MORE power to take advantage of DX12.

    With all my years of PC gaming Direct X has always been hardware specific with each generation of API. (I’m speaking from experience) I don’t know why you guys have your head so high up in the clouds.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    Keep digging.

  • You are flat out wrong

    Stupid Xbots still clinging to their pipe dreams. First it was the cloud, then the RAM upgrade, then the hidden dGPU, now this. This will make a meaningless difference other than making it slightly easier for devs to exploit the already weak hardware and that will be sometime in 2016, by which point it will be far too late.

  • Megaman

    Keep digging your ass and keep digging for your brain…Clue….It is somewhere up Sony’s ass :-) did you find it???smell your finger :-) dose it smell like shit???yes???now lick your finger so when you talk people now how Much shit you talk :-)

  • Mikeherp Derp

    Posting educational facts isn’t trolling, spreading FUD, lies, and BS like you is trolling.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    They don’t want to admit the truth, they’re still in the denial phase.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    No way man there’s secret dGPU silicon in the Xboner that DX12 will unlock! 10 teraflops of misterx cloud power!

  • The Destroyer

    I guess people are dying over their swords over this “30%” power advantage that the ps4 has. Please tell me when they actually optimize this extra 30%, because comparison videos show that the $3 billion that MS spent on their GPU research seemed to be working. Once DX12 comes out then we will see what happens, but until then my pc will have my back.

  • Rai

    Love that denial. With news like this you don’t even bother, you just shut it down without even realizing it’s plausible.
    Also there is no “first there was the cloud’ the cloud has already been utilized in Forza with the drivatar and Titanfall with the A.I. Note before you display your ignorance: Titanfall grunts are fodder, the mech A.I are pretty damn challenging to face. It’s been a few months. Can’t expect them to show all of what they can do in 4 months time, but I can’t expect you to be reasonable either.
    Call it bullshit down the road if you will if it doesn’t prove further than what it is now, but so early after launch, even when it’s shown the benifits in games? Come on now. What kind of petty, childish take is that?
    As a man who has been interested and doing his research about the xbox one, from the esram decision to directx 12, to the mention of an unparalleled assortment of hardware, the “secret sauce” seems very, very plausible.
    I can’t change an anti xbox one, bias view like yours, but hell, I hope my spiel will intrigue some reasonable minded people (lol not you) who don’t think too much of this news.

  • You are flat out wrong

    The crap AI in Tituhfuhh? That’s your response? “Bu bu but they’re meant to be crap!!!” Top lel.

    If by “doing his research” you mean “browsing misterxmedia’s blog” then yeah, I can see how you’d be wrong. Sorry. :(

  • Rai

    No, all around the internet. And I guess you are stupid. Your’e reading comprehension need work. I say again the mech A.I arent crap.
    If the mech A.I weren’t as good as they are, I would’ve thought the A.I were horrible, but that’s not the case. They’re actually pretty good and are a challenge. I guess you also blocked out the drivatar part to make yourself feel better. It’s ok to be wrong once in a while. No worries champ. Sorry :(

  • You are flat out wrong

    Mech AI: “follow around and shoot” Yeah, that’s difficult.

    Face it, you’ve been fed a lemon and now you need to try and justify it. It’s OK, it was bound to happen to anyone who got an Xbone.

    I ignored the drivertard part because, let’s be frank, that’s hardly revolutionary or good either. Note the lack of interest four months on by anyone.

  • Rai

    “Mech Ai: follow around and shoot” How ignorant. That’s what the normal gamer would percieve since they can’t go into technical detail.
    Fed a lemon? Dunno if I have been yet. It’s doing good things now, but like I said your’re free to call it bullshit if doesn’t prove it’s self down the road.
    Also the drivatar, while not revolutionary was a big step up, and was something done at launch at that. At the start.
    Just stop embarrassing yourself. It is still relevant to anyone who plays Forza. For some one with that name, you sure are wrong a lot.

  • You are flat out wrong

    The cloud is a con. I’m sorry, Rai. :(

  • Rai

    Don’t be sorry. I know you don’t understand the benefits. I know your bias clouds your judgement (pun intended).

  • You are flat out wrong

    Yes, loads of servers that can run poor AI > slightly fewer servers that can run poor AI. Next gen! I can’t wait until it’s over.

  • Rai

    *Sigh* Iv’e been researching a bunch. It’s something that really interest me, and I enjoy finding more info and learning about what we were discussing above. Real talk right now, honestly, your’e intentionally half assing your replies right? Your’e a flat out troll right?
    Right? This isn’t your actual opinion, and your’e just trying to urk some nerves right? Amirite?

  • You are flat out wrong

    No, I’m just helping you to be let down gently when in a year all “da clowd” is is what we’ve seen so far: some naff AI outsourcing and a lot of pixie dust.

  • ian

    i feel so sorry for all the sony fanboys, accept it, you lost the console war. XBOX 1 is the better system, better architecture, better games, better online, better controller, better use of cloud. You sony fanboys have no answer apart from childish comments. Everyone knows you are shitting it about the massive potential of XB1. Every xbox article has sony fanboys with negative comments, why? fear? jealousy? why don’t you all go and play the great games on the PS4?? haha oh there are none

  • ian

    you clearly understand nothing about computing and believe all the lies sony tells you. Look at the comparison screenshots above between dx10 and 11, now imagine one step further to dx12. PS will be locked on dx11 for the full 5 year life cycle while xb1 will be on dx12 and greater, it is a HSA system you realise, meaning it can evolve to take advantage of new software. PS4 is just a 2 year out of date of the shelf PC, wake up!

  • Rai

    So you are indeed serious. Dayum. It’s hard to believe your’e not a troll, but then again there are some messed up peeps in this world.
    Hardly anyone would take your opinion for being worth something, cause of your solely negative point of view and constant bashing. Your’e like the opposite of a loyal, blind fanboy, in a negative aspect. Even if the news is mainly positive, you’ll still spin it negative and call out all the faults.
    Maybe your’e just bullshittin, maybe you just like to try to undermine and hurt some feels or something. If so, It didn’t work. Too many things blew up in your face and petty attacks can only be laughed at. (That was harsh >_>)
    I honestly hope I didn’t make you cry or something. Honestly. Seriously.You probably didn’t, but who knows what happens behind the screen.

    Anyways, the cloud is not “magical”. I don’t believe it is “magical”. I do believe it’s useful (as we’ve already seen) and has great potential for games in the future. Denying it’s usefulness is just plain silly, but debating against it’s claims (by Microsoft, not random fanboys) gives the right of skepticism no doubt. Things that people have claimed wouldn’t happen years ago have been a norm in the 21 century. Not saying the cloud will achieve something amazing cause technically right now it most likely can’t, but who knows the future. The world we live in is crazy yo.
    Also stay tuned for GDC.

  • You are flat out wrong

    Sorry, but “the cloud” won’t have any meaningful impact for another decade. Who knows what videogames will look like by then?

    Looking forward to GDC, that PlayStation VR is gonna be the Kinect killer.

  • Turbomite

    Bull shit I see no difference. The only difference is from dx9 to dx 11 is tessellation and that’s the truth.

    (just reading your comment proves you don’t even know dx9 and dx10 are basically the same. It’s you who understand nothing.)

    Do you even know what tessellation is? It requires a very strong GPU to do it. Your whole comment proves you’re a console gamer and knows nothing about PC gaming.

    ” Look at the comparison screenshots above between dx10 and 11, now imagine one step further to dx12.”

    more tessellation? hahahaha

    Truth be told the Xbone barely run games at 900p and don’t even utilize tessellation, if not, at all. What chances are the it’s even going to utilize dx12.

    Please don’t jump head first into something you know nothing about.

    You Xbots are pretty sad

  • Rai

    Looking forward to seeing the VR as well, but the focus of the two are different. Compare it to the Oculus Rift if anything.
    If the pricing is high (You know how Sony is with their high pricing :/) it really wont, or Oculus Rift at that.

  • Turbomite

    Look at the title and read the article. If that doesn’t look like click bait article then I don’t know what is. Articles like these needs harsh trolling, well, because they fuel ignorance. There is no middle ground in the comment section for these type of articles.

  • ian

    hahaha you need your eyes testing pal.

  • Turbomite

    Again with the retarded comment.You don’t even know what tessellation is do you. Look up some Youtube videos on heaven tessellation and facepalm yourself.

  • ian

    you say you see no difference between the screenshots then say i make a retarded comment? LOL. Why are you on here? an XBOX article? do you claim to know more about what the XBOX can do than microsoft? i think they know what theyre talking about more than you pal. You are in denial, what happens when microsoft confim dx12 and the games show that the xb1 is the much better console? will you still go on internet forums and deny this? just accept it and move on.
    PS. Yes i know about tessellation, i have a degree in computer science and a masters in computer graphics

  • Turbomite

    “degree in computer science and a masters in computer graphics”

    But came off as a retard. Go smoke another other one. Drink some shit soup. Inhale your own fart. Whatever you tards do on your own free time.

    I’m done with you MisterXmedia clones.

    Quit replying to me I dont give a fuck

  • ian

    Haha you made yourself look stupid, how qualified are you? Keep denying pal

  • Turbomite

    Fuck you MisterXmedia for breeding a bunch of moron and polluting this world. I hope everything bad happens to you and only you and nobody else but you.

  • sayfaofy

    i CANT WAIT FOR THIS

  • Rai

    How unfortunately true.

  • Ian Williams

    This idiots everywhere there’s a thread on Xbox news trolling it down. He’s one of the main commanders in the sdf. Pr1ck if you ask me.

  • Rai

    sdf? Oh dayum!! Guess I won’t bother with him anymore then lol. Thanks for the heads up. It’s just hard to ignore stupidity like his, but it leads to nowhere anyway so…

  • Ameno-Sagiri

    PC is better.